I just HATE filling out applications, why can’t they just take all that info off our credit report, you know it’s all there? Anyway, getting a mortgage after a bankruptcy isn’t the funnest thing. Our bankruptcy is less than two years old so FHA doesn’t want anything to do with us, even though we’re going to put $70,000 down on the house. You would think that would be enough for them to see that we’re not going to just walk away. It’s funny, they gave us a loan way back when we first financed this house and we were so less credit stable back then, it’s just hard to see it the way they do. I think it’s just government employees who don’t have the guts to make a decision outside of the guidelines.
Anyway, enough about FHA loans, now let’s talk about conventional loans and not so conventional loans. Well, so far I’ve talked with two loan officers. The first one was referred to me by our realtor, so early on I called him and he pulled our credit reports. He said it wasn’t bad, even with the bankruptcy our scores were 624 and 629 which are fairly decent, even FHA only requires a 580. He said our debt to income ratio may be a problem but if we could pay down the car with the big payment to less than 10 payments, they wouldn’t count that against us in the calculations. That’s good, I called and we have 14 payments left but by the time we close, we’ll have less than 10 and if we need to, we can pay it down with the proceeds from the sale of our house.
Anyway, things were rolling along and this officer wanted an application, two months of paycheck stubs, two months of bank statements and a copy of our bankruptcy papers. Just about that time, we started looking at the new construction houses and guess what, they all want you to use THEIR lender and they pay you handsomely to do so. A couple of examples of what the builders do is, take Pulte, if we use their lender, in the neighborhood we were looking, they would discount the price of their inventory houses $13,500!! THAT’S A LOT OF DINERO!! They also pay 2% of your closing costs and pay for your title policy. The builder we’re using isn’t quite as generous but they will pay $500 toward your closing costs and 12 months of your pre-paid insurance. Well, it’s enough to make me use their preferred lender over mine. So, I called their guy.
I really like him, he really seemed to know his stuff. He took down all the pertinent info and right away knew we wouldn’t be financed on what they call “A” paper, we wouldn’t be “A-” either. But he really felt we were strong enough to find a lender on “B” paper, it’s just that the interest rate would be higher. Well, we knew that going in, heck, we just filed bankruptcy, we really couldn’t expect any better.
So, he made some phone calls to people he called “investors” and they said no problem. Basically, most “A”, “A-”, and FHA lenders need your debt to income ratio to be 41% or less. That means your house payment, your car payments and your minimum credit card payments can’t equal more than 41% of your monthly gross salary. Well, I think we would fit in that category IF we pay down our big car payment, which I think we’re going to have to do anyway. But with “B” lenders, they will take it out 50%. And since we’re going to put over 50% down payment, she told him that she would take us with up to 55% debt and a credit score as low as 510. Wow! I guess we’re in!
The only downside is the interest rate. He said an ARM 2 yr or ARM 3 yr would be best. The 2 yr will be at 7.45% and the 3 yr will be at 7.70%. We could get a fixed 30 year but the rate would be 8.45% and there’s a pre-payment penalty. I don’t think we want to do that. There’s a pre-payment penalty on the 2 and 3 yr ARMs as well but only during the first 2 and 3 years (respectively). So after that we would be able to refinance to a better loan. He said once we get a few years outside of the bankruptcy, as long as we keep our credit stable, we should be able to get a fairly decent loan.
Now, we just need to decide if we want a 2 yr ARM or a 3 yr ARM. Oh, I also asked exactly what an ARM loan is. He explained that the rate is locked in for the first 2 or 3 years, whichever we choose. After that it’s based on a margin above an index rate which will all be defined in the loan. Normally that rate is much higher than we’re going to want to pay, so in the 11th month before the freeze period is up, we will need to apply for refinancing.
So, do we want a 2 year ARM or a 3 year ARM? Well, we’re thinking to go 3 years. The rate is higher but it’ll only be about $12 more per month. Three years will give us more time out from the bankruptcy so our credit will be better and we’ll be able to get a better long-term loan. That’s what the loan officer told me and it makes perfect sense. Plus, doesn’t two years just go by in the blink of an eye? For heaven’s sake, it’ll seem like no time has past and we’ll be refinancing. Three years will just give us some time to settle in, it just seems to feel better.
So the loan officer emailed the application to me and I tried to fill it out today. I got most of it done but I need Brent to help me tonight. Then we need to see our sales person because it wants the address and legal address and all that stuff. Anyway, at least we got the ball a rollin’.
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